Episode 81: Questioning the Ordain Women Movement

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Lindsay and Jerilyn grill Kate Kelly, founder of the Ordain Women Movement about the questions they have and the questions they’ve seen most commonly from others about the movement and repercussions of the movement.

Links mentioned in this podcast:
Lindsay’s 10 Arguments Against Women’s Ordination
Jerilyn’s “Radical Self-Respect” post inspired by Kate Kelly’s idea of “Radical Self-Respect.”

7 thoughts on “Episode 81: Questioning the Ordain Women Movement

  1. I want the brethren to pray about having my surgically changed to be a woman so I can bear children then. People are trying to make unisex bathrooms in California because its prejudice…gahhhhh

  2. You sisters belong to the great sorority of saviorhood. You may not hold the priesthood. Men are different, men have to have something given to them to make them saviors of men, but not mothers, not women. You are born with an inherent right, an inherent authority, to be the saviors of human souls. you are the co-creators with God of his children.

    Therefore, it is expected of you by a right divine that you be the saviors and the regenerating force in the lives of God’s children here upon the earth (Matthew Cowley Speaks, 1976, 109).

    Years ago I attended a stake conference in New Orleans presided by Elder Holland. In it he told a story about a meeting with the First Presidency, Quorum of the 12, and all other auxiliary presidencies (R.S., Primary, Sunday School). At some point in the meeting the Brethren excused the sisters from the meeting to talk about important things like getting young men on missions and increasing temple marriage. As the sisters were leaving one brave sister turned before closing the door and said “If you want to learn how to get families sealed in the temple, ask their wives who pray for it every day. If you want to get sons on missions ask their mothers!” and then left. The Brethren saw the fault in their ways and stopped asking those sisters to leave that meeting. Elder Holland also blessed the women of the congregation to be patient with the men in their lives and the church. I think that patience comes when we remember that the men who preside and are “in charge” are just that, men. It is a lot to expect them to have a woman’s perspective on things because they are not women. Having the Priesthood is not the only way to change that.

  3. this was hard to listen to and makes me sad that their are women that have grown up in the church and want ordination so badly. This is as crazy to me as men wanting a uterus and saying it’s unfair that they can’t have a baby. Our spirits are different. There are female spirits and males spirits we don’t function the same. This whole idea saddens me greatly.

  4. This was stellar! Kate, I particularly liked that you said you were scared, and that courage isn’t not being scared. It’s being scared and doing the difficult thing anyway. I love that you’re doing this anyway!

    Tyler and Heather, the priesthood isn’t equivalent or analogous to a uterus. Trying to equate or match them is nothing but a transparent attempt to defend the sexist status quo. The fact that men and women are different is not a sufficient basis for saying men should be ordained and women shouldn’t. Do you know what? Right-handers and left-handers are different. Does this mean one group should be ordained and the other shouldn’t? You need to actually make a *connection* between the difference between men and women and the need to ordain only men. Like this: Men’s penises distract them at odd times, so men can’t be entrusted with the priesthood. See? That’s an argument based on an actual difference between men and women.
    Just stating a there’s difference and thinking that that answers the question of why men are ordained and women aren’t is leaving a giant missed connection in the middle of your argument.

  5. Wonderful interview! I am so excited to join Ordain Women on Saturday and support their full equality in the church.

    We used to think that priesthood applied to white bodies but not to black bodies. Now I’m hearing that priesthood applies to male bodies but not to female bodies. How about priesthood is available to EVERYONE?

    We are all children of our Heavenly Parents. We all have the power to act in God’s name. Looking to scripture and history, I can see no legitimate reason to exclude women from sharing in the rights and responsibilities of the priesthood and the leadership of the kingdom of God.

  6. No one can change your mind, so I’m not going to try, but go to the roots of your testimony. If you truly believe that Christ is the head of the LDS church and has instructed pres. Monson to be the prophet and given him the keys to lead and direct us then have faith in him, don’t try to persuade him to do what you think needs to be done for the church. He receives revelation for Christ’s church as a whole, not you.

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